Social Change Requires the Threat of Violence

A Podcast Piece by Musa al-Gharbi.

This is a polished excerpt from the transcript of our podcast with

Musa al-Gharbi

. In that episode, titled “The Passion of the Elites,” Musa joined

Christine Emba

and

Shadi Hamid

to discuss his new book, We Have Never Been Woke: The Cultural Contradictions of a New Elite. You can listen to the episode here.

— Santiago Ramos, executive editor