What does it mean to apply socialist ideals to U.S. foreign policy? In Part 2 of our conversation with Daniel Bessner, the guys dive even deeper into their disagreements over America's place in the world. If the status quo is anything but ideal, what exactly are the alternatives? And are such alternatives worth imagining even if they're not "realistic"?

Damir, looking to press Daniel, suggests that the case for how an  inward-facing Socialist America will improve the world leaves too many questions unanswered. Shadi bristled at the suggestion of decreasing America's military footprint at the exact time when Russia and China are becoming increasingly aggressive. All the while, Daniel rejects the premise that it's in our interest to aid Ukraine militarily and would prefer that the U.S. take care of its own people and address its own moral disasters instead of pushing its pretend values on the world.

In case you missed it, Part 1 of our conversation is available here.