Who Are the Real Realists?
Podcast
Who Are the Real Realists?
The Atlantic Council's Emma Ashford joins the debate.
Published on: Feb 19, 2021  |  

Was Barack Obama America's last "realist" president? Was he even a realist at all? Emma Ashford of the Atlantic Council joins Shadi and Damir to answer these questions and more. They also discuss democracy promotion, whether to confront China, and why Shadi supported Bernie's candidacy even though Shadi is an interventionist.

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