In the second half of our conversation with Aaron Sibarium, we dive into the legality of using race as a factor for determining policies. And then we cut loose a bit. Damir makes the case that the rise of "wokeness" makes lefty economic objectives unworkable, and tries to bludgeon Shadi to reject leftism altogether. This leads to a spirited debate about political principles: should anti-Trump conservatives and anti-woke leftists surrender to the new dominant culture of their team—or should they stay and fight it out?