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Kristin's avatar

I have tremendous respect for Wisdom of Crowds and it is one of my go-to venues to learn more about lots of things. I, too, am appalled by the violence of the Israeli response and hope that the peacemakers will prevail. I would have much more respect for this exchange, however, if I heard even one iota, one smidgen about the suffering of the hostages, or the evil and barbarity of Hamas, or, perhaps the Muslim world owning up to this and seeing that its world needs a Reformation of its own. I look forward to more exchanges. Thanks.

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I'm a Jew with many branches of my family tree snuffed out by the Holocaust who believes the moral history of the existence of Israel is more complicated than many Muslim Americans represent but agree that Israel is a reprehensible apartheid state that should be treated by the international community like 1980s South Africa. I would support the US governement treating Israel like Iran (as in massive economic sanctions, barred from meaningful international engagement, obviously no military support, etc) until, say, every settlement were torn down and Palestine became a state on the '67 borders.

But Haroon's argument about the American election is... appalling. We're Americans. This year we're voting whether we want to maximize the risk of the end of our own republic or not. Abstaining and justifying it with moral statements about a war on the other side of the world where inertia and *overwhelming* voter preference (only among under 30 democrats is greater sympathy with the Palestinians than Israelis even a plurality, among no group is it a majority opinion) lead to both parties clearly being in the wrong is fucking embarrassing. And the candidate that would clearly be less bad on that is also the non fascist *American* election candidate! You sound like all the American Jews I can't talk with anymore who have blockade themselves into their sanctimonious fantasy world where Israel is the beleaguered and morally superior land fighting threats and hatred everywhere where everything they've ever done is right.

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