Hamid--"I just can’t vote for a party led by a man who tried to overturn an election and still refuses to say he’d accept the democratic outcome if he loses. So, if a Trump victory would heighten polarization, undermine democratic institutions..."
Two things. BOTH parties have attempted to overturn elections. That's the POINT of the certi…
Hamid--"I just can’t vote for a party led by a man who tried to overturn an election and still refuses to say he’d accept the democratic outcome if he loses. So, if a Trump victory would heighten polarization, undermine democratic institutions..."
Two things. BOTH parties have attempted to overturn elections. That's the POINT of the certification by the Senate. It's right there in the constitution, if anyone would read it. Trump did nothing illegal, unconstitutional, or unprecedented on Jan 6. Quit believing everything Nancy Pelosi tells you.
As for refusing to accept election results, throw Hilary Clinton into that group. I know nobody listens to her anymore but she, and a LARGE cabal of democrats, insist that Trumps stole the 2016 election. No good citizen trusts their government. It is our responsibility to constantly question and demand accountability. Anyone who ever says "Trust us" is someone that I immediately distrust. Honest people have no problem with having to substantiate their claims.
A bipartisan Congressional Investigative Committee found otherwise...
"The United States House Select Committee to Investigate the January 6th Attack on the United States Capitol (commonly referred to as the January 6th Committee) was a select committee of the U.S. House of Representatives established to investigate the U.S. Capitol attack.
After refusing to concede the 2020 U.S. presidential election and perpetuating false and disproven claims of widespread voter fraud, then-President Donald Trump summoned a mob of protestors to the Capitol as the electoral votes were being counted on January 6, 2021. During the House Committee's subsequent investigation, people gave sworn testimony that Trump knew he lost the election. The Committee subpoenaed his testimony, identifying him as "the center of the first and only effort by any U.S. President to overturn an election and obstruct the peaceful transition of power". He sued the committee and never testified.
On December 19, 2022, the Committee voted unanimously to refer Trump and the lawyer John Eastman to the U.S. Department of Justice for prosecution. The committee recommended charging Trump with obstruction of an official proceeding; conspiracy to defraud the United States; conspiracy to make a false statement; and attempts to "incite", "assist" or "aid or comfort" an insurrection. Obstruction and conspiracy to defraud were also the recommended charges for Eastman."
Bipartisan my ass. The deck was stacked. Nancy Pelosi is a vile, horrible person who has no sense of veracity whatsoever. She did not allow McCarthy to seat his choice of republicans. Pelosi sat republicans of her own choosing. In other words, it was another Pelosi kangaroo court.
How would you feel if you were on trial, but the prosecution got to choose your defense lawyer and the judge, and you weren't allowed to call rebuttal witnesses.? Would you call it a fair trial? No? Then why do you allow yourself to believe that what Pelosi has done is legitimate? You have made my point for me, that the progressive left is made up of close-minded people who hate first, and think later.
Remember, Pelosi's claim that there was an insurrection is a flat-out lie. That is established.
Did you bother to read my link? Are you prepared to refute any of it? Are you prepared to claim that there is never any fraud in any election? If not, then how much is there? How much fraud was there in 2020? Give evidence, not hyperbole.
p.s. You must be that I guy heard about that thinks Wikipedia is an impartial source.
Better a democrat kangaroo court than one dedicated to exonerating Trump rather than exploring justice. Also, it wasn't a 'trial' but a Congressional investigation which referred the evidence to Congress and the courts for further action. Yes, there are a lot of cases pending in Federal and State courts about obstruction of elections and interference with election officials.
No, I didn't read your link and, yes, I would probably refute all of it. I did watch the Congressional Investigation and was impressed not only by the sheer volume of evidence but how clearly it was documented and presented.
Yes, I am prepared to claim there was no fraud in the 2020 election and multiple courts collaborate my opinion. Pelosi was there at the insurrection and had to be escorted to a safe room to prevent harm. She spent the time calling military and law enforcement agencies to plea for assistance against the violent intruders. What was Trump doing during the siege?
As for the progressives "hating first and thinking later," I witnessed a lot of hate expressed by Trump and the insurrectionist mob he encouraged. Many of us are still asking what Trump was thinking when he attempted to disrupt the certification of a fair election and to urge the crowd to storm the Capitol? Yes, I will admit hatred towards those who violate the tenets of democracy and violate the sanctity of the U.S. Capitol.
WOW! I don't need to make my point; you're making it for me. You have proclaimed to everyone that you are willfully ignorant and uninformed, and that hate is your primary reason for living.
Oh, we know who is "willfully ignorant". I am very specific with the target of my hatred and the moral and existential reasons for it. We're done here.
Hamid--"I just can’t vote for a party led by a man who tried to overturn an election and still refuses to say he’d accept the democratic outcome if he loses. So, if a Trump victory would heighten polarization, undermine democratic institutions..."
Two things. BOTH parties have attempted to overturn elections. That's the POINT of the certification by the Senate. It's right there in the constitution, if anyone would read it. Trump did nothing illegal, unconstitutional, or unprecedented on Jan 6. Quit believing everything Nancy Pelosi tells you.
As for refusing to accept election results, throw Hilary Clinton into that group. I know nobody listens to her anymore but she, and a LARGE cabal of democrats, insist that Trumps stole the 2016 election. No good citizen trusts their government. It is our responsibility to constantly question and demand accountability. Anyone who ever says "Trust us" is someone that I immediately distrust. Honest people have no problem with having to substantiate their claims.
https://individualistsunite.substack.com/p/the-myth-of-honest-elections?r=z324w
A bipartisan Congressional Investigative Committee found otherwise...
"The United States House Select Committee to Investigate the January 6th Attack on the United States Capitol (commonly referred to as the January 6th Committee) was a select committee of the U.S. House of Representatives established to investigate the U.S. Capitol attack.
After refusing to concede the 2020 U.S. presidential election and perpetuating false and disproven claims of widespread voter fraud, then-President Donald Trump summoned a mob of protestors to the Capitol as the electoral votes were being counted on January 6, 2021. During the House Committee's subsequent investigation, people gave sworn testimony that Trump knew he lost the election. The Committee subpoenaed his testimony, identifying him as "the center of the first and only effort by any U.S. President to overturn an election and obstruct the peaceful transition of power". He sued the committee and never testified.
On December 19, 2022, the Committee voted unanimously to refer Trump and the lawyer John Eastman to the U.S. Department of Justice for prosecution. The committee recommended charging Trump with obstruction of an official proceeding; conspiracy to defraud the United States; conspiracy to make a false statement; and attempts to "incite", "assist" or "aid or comfort" an insurrection. Obstruction and conspiracy to defraud were also the recommended charges for Eastman."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_House_Select_Committee_on_the_January_6_Attack
Bipartisan my ass. The deck was stacked. Nancy Pelosi is a vile, horrible person who has no sense of veracity whatsoever. She did not allow McCarthy to seat his choice of republicans. Pelosi sat republicans of her own choosing. In other words, it was another Pelosi kangaroo court.
How would you feel if you were on trial, but the prosecution got to choose your defense lawyer and the judge, and you weren't allowed to call rebuttal witnesses.? Would you call it a fair trial? No? Then why do you allow yourself to believe that what Pelosi has done is legitimate? You have made my point for me, that the progressive left is made up of close-minded people who hate first, and think later.
Remember, Pelosi's claim that there was an insurrection is a flat-out lie. That is established.
Did you bother to read my link? Are you prepared to refute any of it? Are you prepared to claim that there is never any fraud in any election? If not, then how much is there? How much fraud was there in 2020? Give evidence, not hyperbole.
p.s. You must be that I guy heard about that thinks Wikipedia is an impartial source.
Better a democrat kangaroo court than one dedicated to exonerating Trump rather than exploring justice. Also, it wasn't a 'trial' but a Congressional investigation which referred the evidence to Congress and the courts for further action. Yes, there are a lot of cases pending in Federal and State courts about obstruction of elections and interference with election officials.
No, I didn't read your link and, yes, I would probably refute all of it. I did watch the Congressional Investigation and was impressed not only by the sheer volume of evidence but how clearly it was documented and presented.
Yes, I am prepared to claim there was no fraud in the 2020 election and multiple courts collaborate my opinion. Pelosi was there at the insurrection and had to be escorted to a safe room to prevent harm. She spent the time calling military and law enforcement agencies to plea for assistance against the violent intruders. What was Trump doing during the siege?
As for the progressives "hating first and thinking later," I witnessed a lot of hate expressed by Trump and the insurrectionist mob he encouraged. Many of us are still asking what Trump was thinking when he attempted to disrupt the certification of a fair election and to urge the crowd to storm the Capitol? Yes, I will admit hatred towards those who violate the tenets of democracy and violate the sanctity of the U.S. Capitol.
WOW! I don't need to make my point; you're making it for me. You have proclaimed to everyone that you are willfully ignorant and uninformed, and that hate is your primary reason for living.
Oh, we know who is "willfully ignorant". I am very specific with the target of my hatred and the moral and existential reasons for it. We're done here.