Feb 20, 2022 • 1HR 38M

The (Aggressive) Pursuit of Happiness

Special guest Joy Marie Clarkson discusses death, depression, beauty, God, and how to live a good life.

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Damir Marusic
Shadi Hamid
Agreement is nice. Disagreement is better.
Episode details

In this week's episode, we were joined by Joy Marie Clarkson, author of the new book Aggressively Happy: A Realist's Guide to Believing in the Goodness of Life. Joy and Shadi exchange thoughts on ways to best find happiness while Damir remains skeptical that such a goal is worthy of pursuit. As the conversation progresses, the discussion turns to deep questions about how one should think about the brevity of life, what role romantic partners play in happiness, and whether Shadi is actually pursuing happiness or just avoiding FOMO.

In a highlight of Wisdom of Crowds podcasting history, Joy turns the tables on Damir midway through the episode and plays interviewer, while Shadi sits back in fascination.

Required Reading

  • Aggressively Happy: A Realist's Guide to Believing in the Goodness of Life, by Joy Marie Clarkson (Amazon)

  • Shadi's new project with Christian theologian Matthew Kaemingk (Fuller Seminary)

  • A Little Life, by Hanya Yanagihara (Amazon)

  • The Brothers Karamazov, by Fyodor Dostoevsky (Amazon)

  • A Place for Us, by Fatima Farheen Mirza (Amazon)

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