I'm a bit confused by how puzzled SH and MD are over Israel's reluctance to agree to a ceasefire. If the war ends with Hamas still in power, won't Hamas declare victory? And also declare October 7 a success, as an operation that changed the world's view of their cause? And won't Hamas stay in power as Gaza is rebuilt? I mean, love Israel…
I'm a bit confused by how puzzled SH and MD are over Israel's reluctance to agree to a ceasefire. If the war ends with Hamas still in power, won't Hamas declare victory? And also declare October 7 a success, as an operation that changed the world's view of their cause? And won't Hamas stay in power as Gaza is rebuilt? I mean, love Israel or hate it, it isn't hard to see how that is not an appealing long-term prospect from the Israeli POV!
People seem comfortable talking about 'victory' when discussing the other war--one often hears "We can't let Russia win." Of course that's silly, we can absolutely let Russia 'win', as DM points out.
In short, if it's easy to see why Ukrainians don't want to lose land to Russia, shouldn't it also be easy to see why Israel doesn't want to leave Hamas in control of Gaza?
I expected Damir to make that simple common sense point. He was really off his game this episode. Shadi and Matt just made the moralistic arguments you'd expect from them.
I'm a bit confused by how puzzled SH and MD are over Israel's reluctance to agree to a ceasefire. If the war ends with Hamas still in power, won't Hamas declare victory? And also declare October 7 a success, as an operation that changed the world's view of their cause? And won't Hamas stay in power as Gaza is rebuilt? I mean, love Israel or hate it, it isn't hard to see how that is not an appealing long-term prospect from the Israeli POV!
People seem comfortable talking about 'victory' when discussing the other war--one often hears "We can't let Russia win." Of course that's silly, we can absolutely let Russia 'win', as DM points out.
In short, if it's easy to see why Ukrainians don't want to lose land to Russia, shouldn't it also be easy to see why Israel doesn't want to leave Hamas in control of Gaza?
I expected Damir to make that simple common sense point. He was really off his game this episode. Shadi and Matt just made the moralistic arguments you'd expect from them.
In my sort-of defense, I felt like we had trod that ground enough previously. Was trying to fight from different territory.