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Gemma Mason's avatar

One thing that is starting to really irritate me about the way this debate plays out on your platform is that you don’t have any representation of — and you sometimes seem to have very little courtesy towards— the spectrum of non-theistic, non-nihilist answers to these questions. Damir is, if I understand correctly, the only nonreligious member of your main crew, and he doesn’t defend any form of nonreligious morality. Existentialism, semi-subjectivism, simple moral realism, and everything in between are largely either dismissed or outright ignored. This creates a serious gap in your ability to engage philosophers like Nussbaum and Lefebvre.

Lefebvre did a better job than Nussbaum in engaging with this lack on your part. I think this is because his work was already closer to the topics you wanted to discuss, whereas Nussbaum was dealing with an abrupt change of subject compared to the book she was discussing and had more of a sudden gear shift to try (and somewhat fail) to execute.

I hope you will send future guests to this post before talking to them. That way, they will at least know what to expect and can prepare somewhat.

If you happen to have any atheist/agnostic but not nihilist candidates that you were considering bringing on board, then that might also help you to better engage your guests. But you may be able to get away with simply being aware of this gap in your bench and trying to allow for it.

In any case, good luck with this project you’re outlining. Notwithstanding my recent frustrations with the execution, I think the underlying idea is thoroughly worthwhile.

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Jack Backes's avatar

Can anyone convincingly answer the essential philosophical question—why is it good for anything to exist at all?

It seems like this is well trod ground in the history of Western philosophy, going all the way back to the Greeks, no? It seems like what we have now is a teleological crisis - the remains of western Christendom have largely lost their sense of the good. Liberals inhabited this world where there was such a deeply implicit sense of the Good that they could chip away at its foundations.

A pure materialism has no telos, so of course it isn’t able to articulate any sense of the good. And there can’t be any true and stable happiness without a telos, so everything will appear to be harmful and bad.

For the Greek thinkers the telos was eudaomonia. They would have really scratched their heads at the idea that it were better not to exist, and I question the seriousness of anyone who espouses that view - after all, if it’s true, then why have you not sloughed off your mortal form and taken your blissful rest in self-annihilation?

It seems like eudaimonia is about as good as it gets without some higher abstraction -

To just throw up your hands and say none of it matters is the easiest thing to do. It requires no moral courage. Just the opposite. Nobody fights to be unhappy. Nobody longs to be in pain. That’s the easiest thing in the world. It’s our natural state. It’s a maniacal lack of appreciation for the fact of existence.

Yeah, life hurts and the universe doesn’t care about you. That’s the first lesson. Nobody is denying that. But to then never rise above the despair of that fact? That’s just blindness, weakness, and fear.

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