•perhaps the reason there's no two state solution is that only Israel built a state while the Palestinians built only a movement
•contrary to comments in the podcast, the Palestinian movement is not at its core a refugee movement because the only refugees between the river and the sea in 1947 were Jewish refugees. The Palestinian movement at its core was an anti-immigration movement directed at Jewish refugees from Europe, Russia and Arab countries before, during, and after WW2. Palestinian refugees came later, as the result of the failed assault against Israel by the multiple Arab armies (supported by Palestinian Arabs) after partition, and their plight got folded into the core Arab anti-Zionist/anti-immigration movement
•one of the speakers floats the idea that maybe the Palestinians got it all wrong from the start and their "liberation" movement was a mistake foisted upon them by misguided leaders who were not concerned with statehood and nation-building. The discussion would have been much more interesting had this idea been followed up and debated because...
•in the end, Palestinians will end up with less than what they could have had all along, and Israel will end up conceding some version of what it was willing to concede in 1947.
Arafat, the second intifada and 10/7 killed the two state solution.
If you think that 10/7 was "Palestinian resilience" then there is no hope for them. 10/7 was the final manifestation of the Palestinian eliminationist plans for the region.
•perhaps the reason there's no two state solution is that only Israel built a state while the Palestinians built only a movement
•contrary to comments in the podcast, the Palestinian movement is not at its core a refugee movement because the only refugees between the river and the sea in 1947 were Jewish refugees. The Palestinian movement at its core was an anti-immigration movement directed at Jewish refugees from Europe, Russia and Arab countries before, during, and after WW2. Palestinian refugees came later, as the result of the failed assault against Israel by the multiple Arab armies (supported by Palestinian Arabs) after partition, and their plight got folded into the core Arab anti-Zionist/anti-immigration movement
•one of the speakers floats the idea that maybe the Palestinians got it all wrong from the start and their "liberation" movement was a mistake foisted upon them by misguided leaders who were not concerned with statehood and nation-building. The discussion would have been much more interesting had this idea been followed up and debated because...
•in the end, Palestinians will end up with less than what they could have had all along, and Israel will end up conceding some version of what it was willing to concede in 1947.
Arafat, the second intifada and 10/7 killed the two state solution.
If you think that 10/7 was "Palestinian resilience" then there is no hope for them. 10/7 was the final manifestation of the Palestinian eliminationist plans for the region.